{"id":1000,"date":"2004-11-10T22:14:43","date_gmt":"2004-11-10T22:14:43","guid":{"rendered":"\/blogs\/bobb\/post\/Dont-you-database-people-have-any-standards.aspx"},"modified":"2004-11-10T22:14:43","modified_gmt":"2004-11-10T22:14:43","slug":"dont-you-database-people-have-any-standards","status":"publish","type":"post","link":"https:\/\/www.sqlskills.com\/blogs\/bobb\/dont-you-database-people-have-any-standards\/","title":{"rendered":"Don&#8217;t you database people have any standards?"},"content":{"rendered":"<p><P>[Comment heard from an XML afficianado] A: Uh&#8230;Yes, lots of them&#8230;<\/P><br \/>\n<P>User-schema separation always leads to the recollection that &#8220;user-schema separation is the way things are defined in ANSI SQL 1999&#8221;. Which brings up the subject of standards. Touting the ANSI SQL 1999 standard is passe now, because the ANSI SQL 2003 is out. And SQL 2003 &#8220;supercedes and obsoletes all previous ANSI SQL standards&#8221;, the standard itself actually states this.&nbsp;Wow, does this make SQL 1992 twice-obsolete then?<\/P><br \/>\n<P>Couple of points distinguish between the SQL and XML standards:<BR>1. XML standards are usually hammered out (well version 1.0 is) before there are any\/many official implementations to have &#8220;backward compatibility&#8221; issues. SQL standards began in earnest after the big players implemented RDBMS. ANSI SQL standards are much less rigidly followed.<BR>2. SQL standards have a notion of &#8220;partial compliance&#8221;, levels of compliance, and optional features much more than XML standards do. Both leave things open for &#8220;implementation dependent&#8221;.<BR>3. XML standards are freely posted on W3C website, though you must pay money to join the W3C. ANSI SQL, along with other ANSI standards are available at cost. Hmmm&#8230; what does this indicate? Dunno.<\/P><br \/>\n<P>Standards commitees are fairly political (that&#8217;s an understatement). There&#8217;s a story that the original ANSI database standard committee was supposed to hammer out a standard for CODASYL databases, and RDBMS companies &#8220;stole the show&#8221;. That&#8217;s probably the tip of the iceburg.<\/P><br \/>\n<P>For your edification and enjoyment, here are the official parts of the SQL 2003 specs:<\/P><br \/>\n<P>&#8212; Part 1: Framework (SQL\/Framework)<BR>&#8212; Part 2: Foundation (SQL\/Foundation)<BR>&#8212; Part 3: Call-Level Interface (SQL\/CLI)<BR>&#8212; Part 4: Persistent Stored Modules (SQL\/PSM)<BR>&#8212; Part 9: Management of External Data (SQL\/MED)<BR>&#8212; Part 10: Object Language Bindings (SQL\/OLB)<BR>&#8212; Part 11: Information and Definition Schema (SQL\/Schemata)<BR>&#8212; Part 13: Routines and Types Using the Java&#8482; Programming Language (SQL\/JRT)<BR>&#8212; Part 14: XML-Related Specifications (SQL\/XML)<\/P><br \/>\n<P>Part 14 is new. And is&nbsp;the basis for SQL Server 2005&#8217;s XML data type. There are also parts (XA was part 6, I believe) that moved on to its a different spec series. And SQL\/MM (multimedia, used to be part 8?) that has its own whole set of specs now. As does SQL Temporal (time series).<\/P><br \/>\n<P>I wonder what happened to Part 5 &#8211; SQL Language Bindings? And I always wonder why parts 10 and 13 are couched entirely in terms of a programming&nbsp;language that is not itself an ANSI or even ECMA standard, but a &#8220;de facto&#8221; standard (rather than a &#8220;de jure&#8221; standard). Oh well&#8230;<\/P><br \/>\n<P>The coolest SQL standard books are Jim Melton&#8217;s <A href=\"http:\/\/www.amazon.com\/exec\/obidos\/tg\/detail\/-\/1558604561\/qid=1100123808\/sr=8-1\/ref=sr_8_xs_ap_i1_xgl14\/002-3497327-4516858?v=glance&amp;s=books&amp;n=507846\">two<\/A> <A href=\"http:\/\/www.amazon.com\/exec\/obidos\/tg\/detail\/-\/1558606777\/ref=pd_bxgy_img_2\/002-3497327-4516858?v=glance&amp;s=books\">part<\/A> series on SQL:1999. And <A href=\"http:\/\/www.ocelot.ca\/sql99.htm\">SQL-99, Complete Really<\/A>. Although they&#8217;re both now officially obsolete (wonder if they&#8217;ll be a SQL-2003 Complete Really?).&nbsp;Enjoy.<\/P><\/p>\n","protected":false},"excerpt":{"rendered":"<p>[Comment heard from an XML afficianado] A: Uh&#8230;Yes, lots of them&#8230; User-schema separation always leads to the recollection that &#8220;user-schema separation is the way things are defined in ANSI SQL 1999&#8221;. Which brings up the subject of standards. Touting the ANSI SQL 1999 standard is passe now, because the ANSI SQL 2003 is out. 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